{"id":943,"date":"2015-01-08T09:03:31","date_gmt":"2015-01-08T14:03:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/?p=943"},"modified":"2015-01-28T12:39:48","modified_gmt":"2015-01-28T17:39:48","slug":"advocate-for-the-developers-jonas-rosland-ep-72","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/2015\/01\/advocate-for-the-developers-jonas-rosland-ep-72\/","title":{"rendered":"Advocate for the Developers &#8211; Jonas Rosland &#8211; Ep 72"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_945\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-945\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/UnHCV6Xo.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-945\" src=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/UnHCV6Xo-300x300.jpeg\" alt=\"Jonas Rosland, Developer Evangelist\" width=\"300\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/UnHCV6Xo-300x300.jpeg 300w, http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/UnHCV6Xo-150x150.jpeg 150w, http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/UnHCV6Xo.jpeg 512w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-945\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jonas Rosland, Developer Evangelist<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>How do you get developers interested in your product? This week we talk with Jonas Rosland, a developer advocate\u00a0for EMC&#8217;s new CODE group.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1826\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-943-2\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3?_=2\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Listening vs Talking<\/li>\n<li>How does working with Developer differ from working with Sysadmins?<\/li>\n<li>Why are developers &#8220;weird&#8221; if you&#8217;ve been talking with Sysadmins?<\/li>\n<li>Emphasizing creativity &#8211; what you can make with this &#8211; over stability<\/li>\n<li>Unfinished things over finished things<\/li>\n<li>How does it work, not how much does it\u00a0costs<\/li>\n<li>Where do developer relations go in the org chart?<\/li>\n<li>What kind of metrics do developer relations groups use to measure how successful they are?<\/li>\n<li>Making yourself uncomfortable &#8211; meeting new people<\/li>\n<li>IT admins are becoming more and more comfortable with code and scripting.<\/li>\n<li>Getting your code out there is critical &#8211; often on github, but it could be elsewhere<\/li>\n<li>Where are the developers located?<\/li>\n<li>They&#8217;re not at VMworld &#8211; you must go to their meetups<\/li>\n<li>Go to the metopes about things you are interested in &#8211; you may meet people who are interested in your stuff too &lt;- This, to me, \u00a0was the biggest and most obvious in retrospect but practical\u00a0tactic we talked about in\u00a0the podcast. Of course there are no meetups on your product yet &#8211; go to other meetups and find people who might have mutual interests.<\/li>\n<li>But you never know &#8211; you have to go to different kinds of events and try and see and make mistakes.<\/li>\n<li>It&#8217;s about putting other people up on stage<\/li>\n<li>Using the word advocate vs evangelist &#8211; you <em>advocate<\/em> for someone else &#8211; the developer &#8211; vs <em>evangelizing<\/em> &#8211; tell them your message &#8211; this is the most important principle\u00a0we talked about.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/the-devils-advocate-dvd-cover-76.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-947\" src=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/the-devils-advocate-dvd-cover-76-210x300.jpg\" alt=\"the-devils-advocate-dvd-cover-76\" width=\"210\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/the-devils-advocate-dvd-cover-76-210x300.jpg 210w, http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/the-devils-advocate-dvd-cover-76-718x1024.jpg 718w, http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/the-devils-advocate-dvd-cover-76.jpg 1577w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 210px) 100vw, 210px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1825\"><!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-943-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/?powerpress_pinw=943-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How do you get developers interested in your product? This week we talk with Jonas Rosland, a developer advocate\u00a0for EMC&#8217;s new CODE group. &nbsp; &nbsp; Listening vs Talking How does working with Developer differ from working with Sysadmins? Why are developers &#8220;weird&#8221; if you&#8217;ve been talking with Sysadmins? Emphasizing creativity&#8230;<\/p>\n<div class=\"more-link-wrapper\"><a class=\"more-link\" href=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/2015\/01\/advocate-for-the-developers-jonas-rosland-ep-72\/\">Read All Show Notes<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Advocate for the Developers &#8211; Jonas Rosland &#8211; Ep 72<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1827\"><audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-943-3\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3?_=3\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\">http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/?powerpress_pinw=943-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/media.blubrry.com\/geek_whisperers\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/01\/Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"Geek-Whisperers-Jonas-Rosland-Ep-72.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":945,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/943"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=943"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/943\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":951,"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/943\/revisions\/951"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/945"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=943"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=943"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/geek-whisperers.com\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=943"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}